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    Posted: 09-October-2007 at 8:27am
Having finally getting around to updating the store to v3.1 (apparel) I am a little disappointed with the backorder system - unless I am using it wrong - then again, the manual hasn't been updated to cover it, despite it being out for about 10 months!

My payments are all offline methods.
I was hoping to be able to backorder an item when processing and print an invoice just for the items I do have. Then when the item is back in stock I process the order again and generate a further invoice with that product on.
Is this possible? If so how? What do others do?

Thanks for your help


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good luck with an answer Gavin.

I've now bought 6 copies of PC with apparel add-on and convinced the rest of my company to move from Actinic. I have been very very disappointed with the path PC is taking. I would have liked to have seen issues such as your addressed  rather than yet more bells and pointless whistles added.  Don't get me wrong, as a company early impact are brilliant, customer service is amongst the best I've come across.

I think the development team needs to look at real world companies and operations more and concentrate less on rollover this and ajax that. Give us the solid, working basics an online company needs. We wholesale and retail lingerie and are out growing PC very limited working environment. This product is aiming high but landing amongst the 'enthusiastic amateur' working from home  with a couple hundred products and a small turnover.

the manual is a case in point, 10 months and STILL no manual?

Lets a have a solid back order system with proper split invoices, a better inventory control system and a proper integration with Quickbooks/Sage.

Put the price up by all means and lets get serious.

yours sadly    
Nigel Burkinshaw                               0o
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Dear Nigel,

You've known the Early Impact management team for quite some time and you know that we take customer feedback very seriously. Both positive and negative feedback, that is.

Many times we choose not to reply to a forum posting as we would like other users or resellers to step in, which happens very often. This was the case with Gavin's message.

Back to your posting: I am sorry to hear frustration in your message, but I don't believe you message is fair. We are constantly trying to improve ProductCart based on the real issues that real companies bring to our attention. There are businesses doing millions of dollars a year on the Internet with ProductCart. We are certainly not out of touch with "real world companies and operations" as you seem to suggest. I can assure you that we never stop paying close attention to what they have to say.

And it is certainly not true that we have wasted time on adding fancy interface elements over the past few months, forgetting more important things. We do work on the interface, as it is a key element of any e-commerce store. However, we spend the vast majority of our time on other aspects of the system. For instance, being in the UK you know that we recently spent a substantial amount of time on the following projects:

  • Google Checkout UK integration,
  • PayPal Pro UK integration
  • Rewriting of the way the system handles VAT

These development efforts were based on a substantial number of requests received from UK users of ProductCart. We didn't wake up one day and decided to "go for it". We listened to what our UK customers needed from us.

The integrations with Google Checkout and PayPal in the UK were not trivial projects. Other UK customers will tell you that some of the issues we found were completely outside of our control, and prolongued the integration efforts. In fact, we are still working with the PayPal team to iron out a few remaining issues in the PayPal Express UK integration.

These and many other projects have indeed delayed other activities, such as updating our User Guides. We are not happy about that at all, and we are working on that "as we speak". Believe me, no one is taking any vacation time these days at Early Impact :-)

And we are adding resources to our staff to try to do more, and better.

With regards to order management, there is no doubt that new features could be added. However, you have to consider the following:

  • Feature Requests
    Literally every day we receive messages containing sensible, smart suggestions and feature requests. I'm not making this up. This happens every day. This is great on one side - as we continue learning what customers need - but on the other side makes us realize that we will never be able to tackle them all. I often tell the rest of the team that if we had another 10 developers starting tomorrow, we would have projects for all of them, from day one.
  • Counting on our Partners...
    Based on the above, our strategy has always been to count on other companies to step in. Unlike many of our competitors, at Early Impact we chose to license, not host our e-commerce application. This allows third parties to "step in". We also chose not to provide any services that would compete with our partners. One of the reasons for doing so is that we wanted to promote an environment where companies that have proficient developers on staff could create and market "add-on's" for ProductCart. Some have done so: small features all the way to complex integrations with Point of Sale systems. We hope to see more in this area in the future.
  • ... to arrive where we can't go
    Order management, for instance, is an area where additional development could be done by a third party. Early Impact will never be able to create a bridge between ProductCart and all of the numerous accounting, POS, CRM, etc. systems that exist out there. Other companies will see the opportunity and step in.

We continue to work hard to make ProductCart a better product. In the next update you won't see many new features at all. None of the "bells and pointless whistles" that you seemed to indicate we spend time on. We have spent a lot of time strictly on "performance", for example. We have been working with some of the busiests ProductCart stores to improve the performance of key areas of the storefront. 

You can rest assured that we will continue listening to your feedback as well as that of other customers, and that most of our development efforts will be driven by it.

Best Regards,

Massimo Arrigoni
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OK then maybe PC isn't for my company long term after all.

One of our sites turns over in excess of £450,000 run on PC so why am I sounding so negative? It's because I want, no, NEED a proper system for backordering and dealing with out of stock items.

I asked for drop shipping over 18 months ago and the implementation is superb, but I meant WE are the drop shippers for some of our wholesale customers not the other way round.

We as a company also consider Paypal and google checkout to be mickey mouse payment systems and really not suited at all for professional retailers. Try walking into your local tesco or Harrods with a paypal account.

As for third parties bridging the gap I tried to speak with epos.im about the link product and get a 20 minute lecture on SOAP, XML stubs and god only knows what else. The 'brochure' reads like geek pornography. Just tell me how much and make it work.

The tie in between PC and inventory tracking systems has to be a must. I feel shipping and payment providers get too much of the PC development 'cake' to the neglect of product inventory systems and advanced CRM. Having a solid interface to Quickbooks and Sage has to be better than constantly trying to tie in endless payment and shipping providers. If companies do not have merchant accounts to take Visa and Access they do not belong in professional retailing. aim at the mass market by all means but don't neglect those of us who need ISO 9000/9001 standards in all our systems.

Again apologies for sounding so crabby but Ive just come out of yet another meeting with my operators who think PC is too confusing on little things like disregarding stock and not getting the In stock box showing on the product page. I have no manual to give them and training is becoming a nightmare.

And for those of you just tuning in I have had nothing but first class service from the PC team over the last couple of years and Massimo and Cedric are two of the most knowledgeable guys in the industry. I just need to push my own own (selfish) agenda on the future of PC.



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A tighter, two-way integration with QuickBooks using the latest SDK is indeed something that we are planning to work on shortly. Integration with SAGE is currently not on our internal development schedule and would be a great project for a knowledgeable third party.

Cheers,

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Originally posted by mullins mullins wrote:

We as a company also consider Paypal and google
checkout to be mickey mouse payment systems and really not suited at
all for professional retailers.


I, for one, am a professional retailer who finds Paypal to be a serious
asset to our business and I'm glad that EI took the time to implement it.
As a matter of fact, there's no way we would be making the switch to PC
without it. Just because you can't walk into a chain brick and mortar
retailer and pay with Paypal doesn't mean it is not a vaild, professional
method to transfer funds.

I will, however, agree with you on one thing: PC support is above and
beyond good.
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