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ProductCart 3 v. Miva Merchant 5

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Topic: ProductCart 3 v. Miva Merchant 5
Posted By: locojones
Subject: ProductCart 3 v. Miva Merchant 5
Date Posted: 10-August-2006 at 6:27am
I've scoured the internet for comparisons of the two products, and they simply don't exist. While PC has a full list of features on its site (thank you!), Miva speaks in generalities. And aside from merely playing with the online demos (of which Miva's is the better designed to show off functionality), I don't know where to get more information.

Is there anyone here who has used both products and switched to PC? If so, could you decribe why?

I'm really torn between which to choose and why, and I'm not sure where else to look for info.

Thank you.



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Posted By: MarkCoyle
Date Posted: 10-August-2006 at 11:01am

I haven't done a transfer but know a tiny bit about Miva as I checked it out pre ProductCart.

For me downloadable products was absolutely vital matced to flexible categories and previewing the music.   I checked out Atinic etc which supposed focus on these but they didn't compare to PC well.   I must have demo-ed 20 or so packages without any exageration from opensource packages to full on large e-commerce packages. 

Miva in v5 doens't do downloadable products so it wasn't an option for me.  Even in version 4 it was a mod a third party did rather than integral to the product.

Aspects that concerned me about Miva were:

1.  Looked very complex in configuration with extra tool kits etc although this made it very flexible.

2.  Seems to feature a lot of extra paid additional modules, rather the core components.

3.  Like you, I couldn't really get to grips with what actually it was.

4.  The experience time to market for set-up / config in the forums seemed longer than I was aiming for.

These are only perceptions and being here, I ended up with PC so I'm bound to have a partial view.   There are of course viable alternatives to ProductCart, some of which looked more viable for my use as alternatives.

Rather than do a sales job here for EarlyImpact, if you need any experiences or thoughts of strengths / weaknesses feel free to email directly.

cheers

Mark



Posted By: netprofits
Date Posted: 10-August-2006 at 12:06pm
We have not used Miva ourselves but we had one client who was using Miva (about 2 years ago) and found it very difficult to maintain his site with it. He is fairly technical and knows HTML but just felt Miva was hard to use as the merchant.

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Posted By: Uniforms guy
Date Posted: 10-August-2006 at 5:51pm

I 've used Miva 4 (plus ton of OUI modules) since 2000. It's not flexible in term of customization even with the Miva5. I am looking for to migrate to either PC or VP-ASP. I prefer the ASP-based systems because they are open source, furthermore PC offers many essential built-in features which you have to purchase if you use Miva. The only thing hold me back at this moment because PC hasn't offer a Customer feature (Available group) which is very important to me as well other PC users AND that is also the ONLY reason that I still stuck with Miva. I am in search for a third party plug-in for using with PC, the minute I found that solution, I will dump the dinosaur-technology Miva at once. If I had a chance to start all over, I will go with PC. However if you decide to go with Miva, then I have a full new copy of Miva5 license for sale at $350.00 ($995.00 at Miva) plus 4 hours to help you setup & Config. + Storeman ( a third party app. which is very help ful for Import, Export, Edit Cat/SubCat, Products, Attributes, options; worth around $300.00). But as I stated, PC is a far better product.



Posted By: MarkCoyle
Date Posted: 10-August-2006 at 5:55pm
Hi

explain what you're trying to do with the customer feature (available group) once more.... maybe we can sort this as a user community or encourage EI to find a way.

I've found the ability to set up price categories and add customers to it, giving them access to wholesale price, list price, store price etc to be invaluable within v3.

cheers
Mark




Posted By: ProductCart
Date Posted: 10-August-2006 at 6:16pm

Hi Uniforms Guy: we definitely encourage you to play around with the new "Pricing Category" feature in v3. This is one of the features that takes ProductCart a huge step forward in version 3. We spent a lot of time on it, and we use it actively ourselves on our software store to manage reseller pricing (we have different levels of resellers).

http://www.earlyimpact.com/demos/standard/pcadmin/AdminCustomerCategory.asp - http://www.earlyimpact.com/demos/standard/pcadmin/AdminCusto merCategory.asp

Use the built in help (little yellow icons) to learn more about individual features. Basically:

  • You can have unlimited pricing categories and assign customers to them
  • You can set up a pricing category so that it also gives "wholesale" priveledges, which in ProductCart means payment options not available to retails customers, tax-excemption, etc.
  • You can override the price set by the pricing category (e.g. 10% off all products) at the individual product levels (e.g. "Gold Customers" get 10% off everything, but 15% off product XYZ, and 20% off product ABC).


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Posted By: MarkCoyle
Date Posted: 10-August-2006 at 6:21pm
It took me a while to realise the power of this.

The term 'pricing categories' only hints at the flexibility - it's actually also a 'customer categories' tool.   The preceding post from EI confirms this - it might be this new feature gives you what you need.

cheers
Mark


Posted By: Uniforms guy
Date Posted: 10-August-2006 at 6:56pm

Hi Mark,

An "Available Group" feature will let us pre-defined a group(s) of customers who are authorized to buy a certain group(s) of products. Other customers might be abale to view those products but not be able to buy them

For example, I sell Uniforms. I supply Uniforms for FedEx and UPS employees. I would like the PC provides:

when the FedEx employees LogIn (after SignUp), the PC will let them purchase the FedEx uniforms category/products but not the UPS category and/or UPS products.

By the same token, when the UPS employees logIn, they will be able to purchase their particular UPS uniforms, NOT Airborne-Express or FedEx uniforms.

I hope I didn't confuse you,

Mariot



Posted By: MarkCoyle
Date Posted: 11-August-2006 at 5:22am

I have given some thought to this and might of found how to do it.  I'll test it later tonight for you.

In version 3, you can set up categories to be hidden in the store front.  Once established the page will have the same URL every time for the category.

So you would associate products with a 'FedEx' category or a 'UPS' category and NOT show them in the store front.

Then you issue a URL to the Fedex customers that only shows the FedEx products in their category and vice versa for UPS.

Neither set of customers would know or be able to find the others' category page.

Assuming a test / EI confirm this works, it may provide the solution you need.

cheers

Mark



Posted By: locojones
Date Posted: 14-August-2006 at 7:07am
Getting back on the topic, I've been reading and playing with demos more.

I have some questions about PC for you guys:

1. I see how Miva uses its StoreMorph technology to allow you to edit the look and feel of the pages. How is changing the look of PC accomplished? I know it's CSS-based, are there templates somewhere too?

2. I recently found
http://www.thesimpleleaf.com/ec/pc/shop.main.asp?idPage=launch - TheSimpleLeaf as an example of a real PC store, and think its one of the best looking sites I've run across, period. I'm really curious how they made the "Shopping Bag" showing the # of items and a total in the right hand column. I don't recall seeing a feature like that in the admin panel of the demo store.

Is it something that can be easily relocated around the page?

3. I may need to use some sort of freight shipping because some of the products I am considering selling are heavy. Has anyone had to use something like this, and how did you add it to the program?

4. How easy or difficult is it to find an ASP developer familiar with the program? And how easy or difficult would it be to have modifications made, if they were required?


Posted By: netprofits
Date Posted: 14-August-2006 at 7:33am

1. See this PDF file for details on how to customize the look and feel of PC: http://www.earlyimpact.com/productcart/support/Integrating_P roductCart_v3_with_your_Web_site.pdf

Basically, PC comes with one temaplte built in. You modify two ASP files (header.asp and footer.asp). Those files have commented sections for each major area like category list, product search, shopping bag, login, etc. You can place them on either side very easily. There are also two CSS files you can modify to adjust font styles, colors, etc.

2. To see a list of many PC sites by type, check out this page: http://www.earlyimpact.com/stores.asp - http://www.earlyimpact.com/stores.asp

3. PC has built into it the ability to setup custom shipping using any of the following:

Flat rate based on order amount
Percentage of order amount
Flat rate based on order quantity
Flat rate based on order weight
Incremental based on order quantity

For details, on the PC demo control panel, choose Shipping | Add or View Shipping Services and choose add for the Custom Shipping Options.

4. Here is a list of certified PC developers: http://www.earlyimpact.com/partners-dev.asp - http://www.earlyimpact.com/partners-dev.asp

For most developers it is not difficult to make changes. The time and cost depend on th complexity of the change.



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Posted By: geoff
Date Posted: 14-August-2006 at 10:36pm
locojones

I agree - the example web site you listed has done a really good job of implimenting PC. Really nice.

Some of the customization they have carried out is really not that complex. What they have done which I think is really really good is to execute a really effective shopping invitationtogether with great supporting pages and simple navigation.

Some of their specific page customizations are really quiet minor - from a coding point of view (at least to a cursory glance) - but boy it looks good!

IMO you really need to do a fair amount of customization to really make things sing.

It helps a lot if you jump in and actually start doing at least some of it yourself. Once you do you have a better appreciation of what is an easy hit and what is not.

Regards
Geoff


Posted By: MarkCoyle
Date Posted: 15-August-2006 at 11:41am

The customer cart is always a nice touch.

We have used the functionality that shows it when it needs to - so you add an item and it automatically shows on the left hand column.  We try and keep it simple on screen and this functionality has proved popular and useful (even though we haven't done anything except include a tiny bit of script provided in the v3 upgrade manual).

 

cheers

Mark




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